Monday, September 30, 2013

Jesus New Clothes

Jesus as a metaphor for the emperor's new clothes is the only proper way to realize how delusional the entire human race can be and if you want to solve a problem you have to recognize it.

Sunday, September 29, 2013

you are abusing the math

In 1881 the US playing card company manufactured 1,600 packs of cards per day.  If I selected 500 cards from those decks at random, the result would be 1 in 2.1 x 10^1,325.

In other words, using your logic, it would be far more impossible for me to pick 500 cards at random than anything you have shown.

How can that be?  Because you don't understand statistics - you are abusing the math.

Whew

For me, it was probably when I was 8 years old and went to bible school for the first time, because some friend invited me.

I mean before that it was just adults getting real stupid when they talked about god, but this was "Bible School" and the teacher was an idiot who never had a good answer for anything.

Eventually I realized it wasn't the bible school teachers fault, people really think like this, but I was like ok - it's stupid, but I guess it helps keep people behaving well.  Then one day I noticed that in my life at least - the crappier a person behaved had almost a direct correlation to how religious they are.  That realization set me on an anti-religious path.

Then one day I found the Atheist experience on youtube and realized I had been an Atheist my entire life.  Whew.  It was kind of nice to know there were other people in the world who weren't into this complete bullshit called religion.

right and wrong are emergent properties of love.

right and wrong are emergent properties of love.  If you wish to understand morality, you have to first understand love.

Saturday, September 28, 2013

NYC is not designed.

Investigation is easiest by using differential examination or comparative analysis. By knowing where things are on the tree of life, the difference can be used to propel investigation.

Imagine it like this. NYC is not designed. Rather, it has grown organically over time, by many different agents sometimes working together and sometimes not. For example, 9/11 shaped the NYC of today, but no one designed that change and certainly no one in NYC was expecting it.

If you are investigating an old pipeline in NYC and its not recorded in the current plans or blueprints of the city, you can look back through time to the older states of the city, the older structures that no longer exist and possibly find insight into the undocumented pipeline you are looking at.

Genetics is like that. For example, you can learn about reproduction by observing that the platypus is our most distantly related mammal. It doesn't have the genes for a placenta, or nipples, but it does have genes for lactation and its egg yolk genes still work which is why it can lay eggs.

Jesus died of genetic Decay

John C. Sanford actually argues that the short life span of Jesus is evidence of genetic decay. Thus showing that anyone can go crazy, science can weed out the crazies, but religion cannot.

we cannot falsify that Thor made the machines.

So, if we find artifacts and machines in Mars, for example, we cannot infer that maybe an INTELLIGENT civilization is the cause of this artifacts?? Because according to you is not falsifiable? -roberpall

Your mars example is bad for your own case and shows why design is not science, we can for example falsify the idea that the Aztecs made your machines but we cannot falsify that Thor made the machines.

leprechaun tax



don't hate Leprechauns, because I don't believe they exist. Simultaneously, I do not spend countless hours on Facebook protesting them, arguing against the "evil" of their deceptive magic, and arguing slews of people about them. Seriously.

but you would if you were forced to pay leprechaun tax or if leprechaunists were trying to make education illegal.

the only explanation for that fact is evolution.

"A fact is a true piece of information. A theory is a set of ideas intended to explain a group of facts. " Brad Hathorn for example, you have nipples, that is a fact and the only explanation for that fact is evolution.

Why are you so worried about these lost souls now

Why are you so worried about these lost souls now when you get to heaven you will not be allowed to worry about them then?

Love your neighbor now

Love your neighbor now because when they are burning in hell and you go to heaven, you won't be allowed to worry about them then.

Friday, September 27, 2013

explain your nipples

" If you understand it, explain why I'm wrong. If you don't understand it, why believe it?" Eric Holloway I understand it rather well - did you notice you have nipples? Aren't you a male? Why would you have nipples? It makes perfect sense with evolution - but ok, you say evolution is a lie - so explain your nipples.

a flying unicorn that farts money

You have as much chance at an immortal soul as you have at a flying unicorn that farts money.

Thursday, September 26, 2013

Party in Heaven!

I didn't realize how easy it is to get Christians to admit that they would still enjoy heaven even if their own children were burning in hell.  This religion is literally a disease of the mind.

God is an invisible, intangible, infinite spirit with a long white beard.


  • God is an invisible, intangible, infinite spirit with a long white beard.

    • LMAO - and nipples right? Yahweh has nipples? I don't know which is more weird - if Yahweh has nipples or if Yahweh doesn't have nipples.

    why do YOU have nipples?

    Don't look now Jason Miller, but you have nipples. Its a perfectly natural and harmonious result of evolution, but without the understanding of evolution - why do YOU have nipples?

    Wednesday, September 25, 2013

    That is not love at all.

    Love that you get to "turn off" if it is no longer convenient?  That is not love at all.

    Kalām cosmological argument

    LMAO - it doesn't.  Actually it's a blind assertion followed by two logical fallacies, so it couldn't "prove" anything - ever.  The blind assertion is that the universe beginning to exist.  That is actually unknown.  Then we get a special pleading fallacy to cover up the hole created by the blind assertion and finally an argument from ignorance to give a fun shape to the special pleading.

    Advice for creationists everywhere

    1 - Learn about critical thinking - you need this desperately.  Just Google "critical thinking" and avoid religious sources.
    2 - Google "Science 101" it will take you to the Berkley website which will walk you through a basic understanding of science.

    3 - When you are ready, Google "RNA world", if you learned anything from the first two steps that will take you to the Harvard website on the subject.

    Until you are able to just love

    Until you are able to just love another human for who they are, you will never understand god.

    finding excuses

    Finding excuses to promote a book that promotes murder, rape, torture, and slavery is not particularly respectable on any account that I can reconcile. Sorry.

    Margarita anyone

    Love your neighbor until you get to heaven then let them burn in hell without concern.  Yeah - thats respectable.  Margarita anyone?

    There is no Evil in the world

    Even a bad thing can be used as a good example which necessarily relegates the concept of evil to the category of impossible.

    Tuesday, September 24, 2013

    Justify naturalistic Darwinism

    "Justify naturalistic Darwinism's support for the idea that one human being even killing another should be no more "wrong" than it is "wrong" for a robin to eat a worm or a whale to eat a minnow. Brad Hathorn I don't think I can explain it to you, but if you had ever in your life loved another person besides yourself, you would understand.

    one of these things is not like the other . . .

    A chair - A table - A desk - A god.

    "Christian love"

    "Christian love" is demented. Love your children, but murder them if they talk back. Love homosexuals, but murder them on sight. Love your neighbor, but when you get to heaven and they are burning in hell - don't let their suffering bother you.

    Your God is the only true God.

    Your God is the only true God. As you know, all those other Gods are illogical man made rubbish. But not yours. Yours is real. - Ricky Gervais


    things you will never hear a creationist say

    "Good point. I guess I was wrong." things you will never hear a creationist say

    God's Image

    "Why not? That's what makes them equal - they are equally in God' image." Alan Darley really? Thats an egotistical notion. Why would a god have nipples. Who does he suckle?

    God is the best explanation for intrinsic human worth.

    "God is the best explanation for intrinsic human worth."Alan Darley actually love is the answer to intrinsic human worth, but you would have to love another person to understand this. Loving invisible people isn't actually love - its mental illness.

    Gods are always arguments from ignorance and thus, as a logical fallacy not an answer to anything.

    Friday, September 20, 2013

    God's infinity is qualitative, not quantitative

    • God's infinity is qualitivative, not quantitative. It means that God is metaphysically necessary, morally perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, and so on.


    That is what we call a distinction without a difference.  Besides being profoundly ignorant it is fundamentally dishonest.  Nothing can have an infinite quality without being infinite qualitatively you simply fell into the illogical nonsense trap that WLC touts.

    Also, we are communicating today through a computer brought to you on the back of science not metaphysics because metaphysics is a scam - so dang to tell you about that one too.  You really fall for these fallacies don't you?

    Will Yahweh get counseling?

    "would you want to be with God, If He existed?" Jason Miller - you mean Thor or Yahweh? Thor seems to be ok with me. Yahweh is the baby murdering pervert, so meh. Will Yahweh get counseling?

    Tuesday, September 17, 2013

    Humans have VIT genes, but fish don't have placenta genes.

    Can you explain why fish have no VIT genes? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why amphibians only have VIT1? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why all reptiles, birds, and mammals have VIT1, VIT2, and VIT3? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why Platypus still uses one of its VIT Genes and has no placenta genes, has genes for lactation and no genes for nipples? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why marsupials only have genes for a primitive placenta, has genes for nipples, and none of its VIT genes are used? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why mammals have genes for a complex placenta, genes for nipples, and uses none of its VIT genes? Evolution can.

    Can you explain why fish, amphibians, replies and birds have no genes for any type of placenta or nipples? Evolution can.

    So you see - evolution is successful for one single reason - it is more effective than sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

    What does Pluto have to do with atavistic genes?

    "Not sure what Pluto has to do with atavistic genes."Shelly Elaine Theimer

    We can model gravity with mathematics just exactly as we can model genes and evolution with mathematics and the scientific evolutionary model is just as robust as the gravitational model. As a result, if you dismiss the evolutionary model of VIT1, VIT2, and VIT3 through the entire known animal genome you are essentially also denying the empirical evidence of Pluto orbiting the Sun.

    You can't have it both ways - if you agree that Pluto orbits the Sun, you have no basis at all to deny evolution and its usefulness for illuminating atavistic genes.

    Monday, September 16, 2013

    The best argument for the Quran!

    Evidence of divinity? the oldest quran in circulation says the same thing as the newest quran... the Quran was the same 1400 years ago. Shumaila Malik

    Sunday, September 15, 2013

    "God" just happened?

    And codes like what we have in DNA came about strictly by chance I suppose?" James Jenkins 

    so - DNA couldn't just happen, but "god" could have?

    Saturday, September 14, 2013

    WIlliam Lane Craig - a human travesty.

    WLC's primary argument can be summed up like this - he says infinities are impossible therefore an infinite god wants to give you an infinite gift.  It is a travesty that any human has ever fallen for his nonsense.

    Thursday, September 12, 2013

    The Orbit of Pluto

    The major problems creationists like have - besides raw ignorance and dishonesty, is that they simply lack the capacity for abstract thought.

    They often argue - "well if you ain't seen it and you can't repeat it in a lab then it ain't science". Which is a profoundly ignorant argument and the orbit of Pluto illuminates the ignorance involved.

    Importantly, Pluto has an orbit of 100+ years, yet it was only discovered 80+ years ago - so "no one has seen it perform an orbit!" Why aren't creationists complaining that the orbit of Pluto is faith?

    Obviously that would be an ignorant claim because we can model gravity with math and Pluto's orbit matches our model of gravity perfectly.

    Evolution is proven daily the same way. There are evolutionary mathematical models and all DNA of every creature all over the world always fits the evolutionary model - this is also used for paternity tests.

    And thus, denying evolution is also denying paternity tests which is exactly as ignorant as saying Pluto doesn't orbit the sun or that the Earth is flat.

    Saturday, September 7, 2013

    2nd Law of Thermodynamics

    Excellent blog post about childish notion of grandeur in the creationist camp.

    The Second Law of Thermodynamics – Again

    Also I am reminded of the impossibility of souls with this post.

    Friday, September 6, 2013

    The Real Homosexual Agenda.

    The real homosexual agenda is saving innocent children from their psychotic religious parents.

    Innocent homosexual children are tortured by their own family sufficiently to cause them to commit suicide at rates of 6 per day in the USA alone, when they are raised in Bible believing families that notice the Bible says homosexuals must be murdered on sight.

    The It Gets Better Project is the major force in this battle to save the lives of innocent children.  There message is rather simple:
    1 - Don't let your religious parents drive you to suicide
    2 - Ignore the crap in the Bible that says you should be murdered on sight.
    3 - When you age and are freed from the shackles of your malicious parents, you can live a happy, normal life.

    Impact of social environment on homosexual suicides
    doi: 10.1542/peds.2010-3020

    Homosexual and heterosexual suicide comparisons
    doi: 10.1177/0044118X06287689

    Suicide rates
    ISBN-10: 0-309-08321-4

    Learn the Bible

    Learn more about the bible than any Christian, read this book.

    A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

    Thursday, September 5, 2013

    Love is . . .

    Love is . . . caring when your friends are burning in hell.

    Frightened little apes

    Ironically, religious people are the best possible example that we are at root frightened little apes who have barely shed any of our primitive selves.

    Faith is bad

    "Your belief requires lots of faith. Both sides have supporting evidence but no definitive." Drew Gasaway science is based on evidence, so no faith required. It is nice to see you tacitly admit that faith is a bad and stupid thing.  Also - nonscientific evidence (your evidence) is crap - thats why science excludes it.

    One thing not up for dispute

    "By definition it wouldn't be a fact then would it?" Lords Sheep The point is each and every "fact" is ripe for dispute in scientific inquiry and it is only a "fact" if all pertinent parties agree it is a fact. We could say the Earth going around the sun is a fact and all stipulate that is established or we could argue the point.

    In science - the only thing not up for debate is the scientific method and that excludes everything that is not 
    falsifiable - e.g. creationism or ID

    Have you noticed

    " have you noticed you are not making scientific argument?" - Patrick Fonce Haney 

    Why would I try to make a scientific argument with a person who is scientifically illiterate? Do you speak English to people who don't know any English? If you do - do you really think talking louder helps?

    Difficult Question for Christians

    Suppose all the wild contradictions and mistakes of the Bible are corrected enough to make the popular version of Christianity true and you make it into heaven. How many of your friends and family have to go there as well for you to enjoy it? 0,1,10, 50%, 100%? Keep in mind they will be burning in hell if they are not in heaven.

    If you answer anything except 0 - you are admitting that heaven is logically impossible because human happiness is dependant upon the welfare of the people we love.  In this case, god has no providence over heaven or hell at the individual level.  Even if you go to heaven - if your child goes to hell - you will suffer as well - just as if you were also in hell.

    If you answer 0 - you are a true believer and the brainwashing has made you depraved.  You say you love the people in your life, but if they are burning in hell it will be fine with you and you will carry on with your happy life in heaven.  This is the literal definition of depraved indifference

    A video delivering this question.

    What are you expecting?

    "This is what you are expecting me to believe; First there was nothing, and then it blew up." Larry Andrews no one expects you to believe anything. What we expect responsible adults to do is to get a high school education. You have failed at that task.

    Before you can understand scientific evidence, you have to understand science. I suggest learning Science 101 on the UC Berkeley website. Once you understand science, you can look at the scientific evidence yourself and even propose significant challenges to it.

    Until then, if you refuse to take responsibility for your own education and at least get a GED - then you should actually yes, just sit back and listen to what you are told. It should be sufficient for you to notice how wildly successful science is (the computer you are using was brought to you by science as was your very health).

    Wednesday, September 4, 2013

    Harsh Honesty

    The average theist is quite dishonest about their own religious beliefs out of necessity. Religious beliefs are not designed to withstand the harsh honesty of self examination and critical thinking.

    God is just a turtle

    The "turtles all the way down" argument is obviously ridiculous. Every god argument shares the exact same properties and thus is exactly as ridiculous. The only difference is, a theist is biased to ignore problems with their own god. With theists its not "turtles all the way down" - its "gods all the way up". Until you realize or accept that a god is just a turtle, you will not understand.

    Theism Poisons Everything




    Theism, everyone.

    Poisoning people in their deepest integrity. - Santana Navarrette


    Jon Priest


    Yahweh has no power over heaven or hell



    "That's why I don't understand how a heaven could exist if hell did. What decent person could be really happy if they knew that their loved ones were undergoing such great suffering?" - Shaunty Linton

    Agreed - even assuming all the ridiculous, contradictory things about the bible could be resolved in the favor of whatever the most popular Christian view is today - Yahweh would still not have the power to send anyone to heaven or hell.

    Moral people suffering together in hell would be happier than moral people in heaven while any single person they cared at all about was suffering in hell.

    The very idea of the Christian heaven betrays a deep ignorance about morality and decency.

    Monday, September 2, 2013

    Intelligent Space Zebras

    Can you provide some evidence that gods are impossible? Sure and you can do the math yourself if you follow the template of ID (so you can thank the Discovery Institute for helping to dispose of gods).

    The problem with gods is parsimony.  When you are addressing issues or solving problems, by necessity you cannot create more problems than you solve and consider it effective.  You can't "throw the baby out with the bathwater", for example because the resulting dead baby would be a bigger problem than dirty bath water.  Inserting gods creates the exact same problem (you create bigger problems than the god solution can solve).

    But like I mentioned, ID really drives the point home.  Basically they say - "we don't care who the designer is, it could be a bunch of intelligent space zebras".  Essentially then if you replace any instance of god with "intelligent space zebras" you can see exactly how absurd the idea of god is.  

    And lets be clear, ID has gone to extra lengths to show that it could be "any intelligent agent" secretly betting that their followers have already picked an intelligent agent and hoped no one would ask (how many times did I have to repeat my argument before anyone asked?  Maybe 100).  Gods can always be effectively replaced by intelligent space zebras as shown by the entire "field" of ID.

    The reason a person doesn't notice they are making the problems worse is that they are biased against asking questions about god.  Where did god come from?  Why does he have nipples?  Was he just lonely?  Sticking god in and discounting questions about god makes it SEEM like you have solved the problem, but in fact, you just made it worse and you are only ignoring the new problems you have created.

    It's easier to see the issue if you follow the IDots idea and instead of god, stick in the intelligent space zebras.  Not only are they a completely effective replacement for god, but they are obviously ridiculous and much easier to get past the bias against asking questions.  Why would space zebras make a universe?  Why would they design intelligent monkeys?  Where did they come from?  What kind of music do they like?  What are their politics?

    The only reason anyone ever inserts a god and then THINKS they have created parsimony, is because they have convinced themselves they can't ask questions about the god.  If you start asking questions about god, you completely destroy the parsimony the god "solution" provided and you essentially throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    It is Occam's razor then that kills all gods.  When it rains, its just a natural occurrence, its not intelligent space zebras spraying water all over the place.  When there is a big bang, its just a natural occurrence, its not because intelligent space zebras crashed their space car.  When self replicating chemicals evolve into a primitive life form, its just a natural occurrence, not because intelligent space zebras have set up a terrarium.

    In fact, intelligent space zebras are LESS absurd than any god because there is evidence that other intelligent life COULD live in the universe.  There is however, absolutely no evidence for any god at all.

    Failing of Christian "Love"

    Christian love includes a heaven where they will have depraved indifference for their friends and family (or anyone) that ended up in hell.

    Scientific Models


    "We can't observe the position of Pluto in the sky? This is news to me.

    We can also observe the action of atoms in the large hadron collider. This is also repeatable and testable to help build better models.

    There is no consensus in science when it comes to the origin of life or of the universe."

    Andrew Amundrud
    ------

    Pluto was discovered 80 years ago and its orbit is 100 plus years - No one has observed an entire orbit - it does however conform to models of gravity.

    No one at the large hadron collider has ever seen a particle - only reactions that conform to models of particles.

    This is how science ACTUALLY works.

    Every living thing conforms to the evolutionary model in millions of different ways. There is no more successful model than evolution.

    Also, it has nothing to do with the origin of life.

    Sunday, September 1, 2013

    Was the idea of common descent perverse the first time it was brought forward?

    The only thing that is certain is that the scientific method's efficacy is unrivaled. Everything else is basically up for grabs. Theory, hypothesis, fact are all at least a little pliable, but generally Theory is an overarching idea that explains a bunch of facts and a hypothesis is a precursor to a theory.

    However, its a little more subjective than that. The math of "String Theory" is so impressive it's practically been elevated to the status of theory, but in reality it is still just a hypothesis.

    It is fair then to say a physical phenomenon is a fact if it is uncontroversial. Evolution is not at all controversial. In the USA, people think they are educated and at the same time deny evolution, but basically in the rest of the world, you cannot be considered educated unless you are educated enough to understand that evolution is uncontroversial.

    So a lot of it is perspective. The fact of shared ERVs and their power to show ancestry is impossible for an educated person to deny and really is an aspect of evolution that can safely be considered perverse when people who understand ERV's then deny common ancestry.

    For someone with a high school education to deny evolution it can only be described as a literal perversion of the educational system and it seems fit for calling it perverse.

    In fact this is the very goal of "creation science" which could not ever have anything to do with science - to pervert science and education.

    Refuting Adulthood

    "Show me a child growing into a old man before I will accept adulthood. No those are just pictures of a baby, a toddler, a child, a teenager, a young man, an a middle aged man, and an elderly man. Where are the transitional forms?" - Bil Wight

    https://www.facebook.com/bil.wight