efficacy of science

"you're going to have to make sound arguments" Daniel Skillman the efficacy of science should have already convinced you before adolescence.

the only rational course of action

 " Do you know why atheists like to demand evidence for God?" - Raymond Harris 

because the only rational course of action is to believe things that have evidence for them.

facts are subjective

facts are subjective in that they are only a fact if during a conversation or specific frame of reference we agree they are facts. E.g. The Earth is a globe and that's a fact. Really, because its kind of fat in the middle and that's a fact. Really, because its fatter in the southern hemisphere than it is in the northern hemisphere so really its a pear shape? Really, what percentage of difference between diameters of a hemisphere qualify as pear shaped? Does "=" signify and equation or an assignment? In some languages your simple equation would be written "==" not "=", so yes subjective.

need a purpose?

If theists need a purpose that is outside of them, they don't need a God. Here's your purpose: Make the world better a better place for the next generation.
-David Jacquemotte

move every finger

Who designs a hand that says "move all fingers" and then require another command to stop the first command in the case you don't want to move every finger??

The perversion of love

"only because God is love." Kiko Enrique Hernandez this is an illogical statement. First of all, there is no evidence for any gods. If you think god is love you are just confusing yourself. Love is an emotional experience and feeling humans experience when they have a strong desire for something to be preserved or protected.

It is an aspect of the human psyche that religions pervert and use to manipulate their flock, so its not surprising you are confused about the issue.

Hopelessly alone

"answered is by far a better than my dependency of accepting that i am hopelessly alone" Juan Ramos if you could learn to love other humans, you wouldn't be alone.

This is the problem with Christianity, it perverts love such that innocent people like Juan Ramos get completely twisted around and end up drained of all love and understanding of love. there is no disease more insidious than Christian dogma.

suffering is a necessary component of love

"You cannot choose not to suffer. It is a part of life, pain and loss cause suffering. They are not choices..."

Exactly. The empathetic suffering caused by a loved one suffering is a necessary component of love and it cannot be removed from love - which is what heaven claims to do.

a god who would invent a hell.

John Crossan said: "I will not accept a heaven from a god who would invent a hell."

the name Yahweh

the name Yahweh takes away from the concept of god.  The more detail you heft on a god, the more clarity there is about a god concept - the more ridiculous and vulnerable the idea becomes.  Don't let theists hide behind the generic term god.

exploits the better nature of its flock

Christian dogma exploits the better nature of its flock and perverts it to spread the meme.

That will finally be their downfall.

This is the thing Atheists have to try to understand, for all their talk of love, theists are bewildered by love and completely fail to understand love.

That will finally be their downfall.

Practicing Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in heaven, but the concept of heaven is incompatible with the concept of love. So you can't really belong to a judeo-Christian religion if you understand love.

If Judeo-Christians can be made to understand love, they will reject the concept of heaven and that leaves little incentive to be a Judeo-Christian.

the job of scientists to destroy Darwin

" many scientists now are starting to question the all powerful Darwin" John Phillips it is the job of scientist to not just question Darwin but destroy his ideas if at all possible.  That is why science works.

It is also why Darwin is not relevant to modern evolutionary theory - worrying about Darwin is like worrying about George Washington and how he would consider modern laws - who cares?

Fittest is appropriate

Fittest is appropriate - it refers to environment.  In a loving environment, where the love of peers dominates more than natural predation, then "fittest" has nothing to do with fitness for survival, rather fittest to preserve the loving environment.

Anyone who understand love should then understand how the strength love brings to a society is still a survival of the fittest situation even when they value perceived weakness like blindness.

This is difficult for Christians to understand because their dogma is antithetical to love - Christian dogma seeks to destroy love.

Logic is not simply an aid for an argument.

Logic is not simply an aid for an argument.  If you can't construct a logic assertion, conception, or defense of something, then you literally have no rational grounds to say it is real.  Heaven suffers from this problem.

I think you are starting to realize that Heaven is incompatible with love.  That is a simple fact that you will not be able to escape.  How then can you presume to call it heaven if the one thing treasured most among humans is not compatible with it?

10 maps of NYC

If I gave you 10 maps of NYC taken over the past 100 years, could you arrange then chronologically?  I bet you could and this is the same basic method geneticists all over the world use and they always come out with the same tree based on that analysis.

cow DNA

your post about cows and whales has completely ignored my point that when anyone around the world analyzes cow DNA and whale DNA (they don't even have to know they are cows and whales), they will always arrange them into the same family tree. Like it or not that is irrefutable evidence they have a common ancestor - unless you can disprove DNA or something

Are paternity tests wrong?

different people all over the world arranging the DNA of all living things into the same tree? How could that even be possible if they didn't have a common ancestor? Paternity tests show it is only possible through common ancestry. Are paternity tests wrong?

no obligation

I don't like the idea that everything started from one cell." Dustin Bowcott science has no obligation to prove you with answer that you like.

There's a "get out" clause for anything in Christianity except not believing.

-Steve Ennever

That is not what "observational" means.

That is not actually what "observational" means.  This is a common misconception and lie that Ken Ham spreads.  If you understand mathematics, then you can understand why this is wrong.

If I tell you 2 + 2 = 4, did you "observe" me putting like things together to get a result?  No - but this is mathematical modeling and it counts as a scientific observation.  This is the whole purpose of math and the math shows evolution is correct.

infinity is a mathematical concept

The fact is infinity is a mathematical concept with application to modeling the real world. That is what you fail to understand about math. Without a real world mathematical model for different kinds of infinities - which WLC does not have, he is actually appealing to the only kind infinity there is every time he refers to infinity (or eternity). It's special pleading and I have simply cut out the BS that was used to obfuscate the fallacy.

transitive property of responsibility

The Bible promotes rape and glorifies human sacrifice - isn't there a transitive property here?  No sense of responsibility?  When a person gets so obese they can't get out of bed or fit through the door to their room - who is feeding them?  Doesn't that person feeding them have some responsibility in the situation?

Shame on you.

Max Mills lets start with this gem "We are talking about OT Jews" no, we are talking about the Bible which includes both the NT and the OT and has nothing at all to do with "Jews" - simply the text.

This attempt to redirect the conversation into a realm where you can try to formulate a deceptive defense is nothing at all honest. Firstly if you think the Jews were right, then you have no basis to accept the NT in the first place which they reject.

Secondly, the Christian faith is built on both the NT and the OT - together, they are inseparable.

In practical terms then your attempt to save these verses that condone rape is it self cherry picking. Only a child would even consider that bondage and total submission would not include sex. If you have no idea what sex is, then maybe your argument is sincere, but if you are familiar with sex your argument is completely dishonest.

"Im not cherry picking obscure points, I am telling you what the book says on this subuject." this is a factual lie. support it with scripture.

ok - your scripture - you have demonstrated that you have never read it so I have to explain the damn thing to you like all Christians. If you would read the Bible you would not be a Christian in the first place - stop being such a sucker and think for yourself for once in your life.

Women are property in the Bible through and through, if you weren't brainwashed into being a misogynist, it would be obvious to you in almost every passage.

For example, when you find your defense of rape - which you will never present, you will notice it only deals with compensating rape as if the damage is done to the owner, not the person being raped. The owner is either the father or the husband. You want specific scripture? Then provide your defense of rape which you still have not done - its there in that scripture - stop hiding from it.

Where else are women treated as property more specifically? Exodus 20 - the 10 commandments themselves - you shall not covet your neighbors property including slaves and his wife. HIS WIFE - nothing about coveting husbands, because the 10 commandments are not written for women who are thrown in with the other property.

Oh, where children are actually property of their parents? Maybe you remember the good guy Lot - the one Yahweh specifically saved because he was so moral. What does Lot do? He says, don't have sex with my guests, instead rape my virgin daughters. Obviously the daughters had no say in the matter - they were lots property either as children or as women - YOU DECIDE and the result is rape which is the idea of the guy Yahweh says is moral!

But obviously yes, parents are ordered to murder their unruly children many times in the Bible. The result of these commands is anything the child does that is not in agreement with the parents earns them the death penalty and thus affords them no rights outside whatever their parents apportion to them.

Your disgusting book. Shame on you. Learn to lead a decent and honest life and stop promoting this filth.

You don't have to understand it

 You don't have to arrive at some great theological realisation to be an Atheist, it's written in the term, it's an absence of belief in God. You don't have to understand something for your belief in it to be absent, in fact until you're taught something lacking an understanding of it is the default position.

-Shane Phillips

atheism is not a belief

"I think it is incorrect to say that atheism is not a belief." Abel Yashua Abel this is a misunderstanding of terms because you are coming from a biased position.  It is laborious and impractical to label everything you don't believe as a belief.

Do you believe the moon is made of green cheese?  Is that a belief?

Do you believe the moon is made of Swiss cheese?  Is that a belief?

Do you believe the moon is made of both green cheese and Swiss cheese?  Is that a belief?

Do you believe the moon has a core of green cheese and a crust of Swiss cheese?  Is that a belief?

Do you believe that Pluto is made out of butternut?  Is that a belief?

There are literally an infinite number of things you don't believe and atheists share your disbelief in almost all of them (they vastly outnumber the things you do believe) and also we disbelieve in one more - the thing about gods.

we have contradictory responses for every single other idea.

"atheists have contradictory responses for this simple question" Abel Yashua Abel the only thing atheists agree on is that there is no evidence for any gods - by definition then we have contradictory responses for every single other idea.

take some personal responsibility for yourself

The gruesome human sacrifice of Jesus is not good news or glorious.  If you deserve to go to hell, then take some personal responsibility for yourself, be an adult, and just go.  Stop trying to weasel out of your responsibilities and glorify the murder of someone so you don't have to face justice.

stop using beliefs to destroy the education system

I think atheists would not care what Christians believe if Christians would stop using their beliefs to destroy the education system, the government, and oh yeah to murder people.

black shoes.

"the Jehovah's witnesses teach that only 144000 people will enter heaven, which is absurd." Joseph András Löbb I have a friend who says leprechauns where green shoes - talk about absurd! Everyone knows leprechauns wear black shoes.

rape might be "wrong"

I guess that is the advantage of defending a logically incoherent text like the OT. You can grasp desperately as you have done to a vague reference and twist it to your desire - as if the OT has some strong condemnation of rape and completely ignore that oh so many other - stronger encouragements to rape, especially in the vain that women and children are property. OT rape might be "wrong" if it damages other people's property, but nothing in the OT suggests Fritzl is anything except a saint.

There is no evil

 If you wish to assert there is such thing as evil, you must demonstrate it.

However, for your demonstration to be effective you will have to show that something is not just bad, but factually evil and that would require it to be pure evil.

If you cannot demonstrate these things, the best you can do is argue that when YOU don't like something YOU call it evil, which has no meaning to anyone else.

And so - if you wish there to be evil in the world, either it has to come from your own desire for something to considered evil or you have to demonstrate something that is pure evil - that no person could ever deny it is evil and that nothing good can ever come from it.

The problem then is that even the worst thing can be used as a bad example and that fact negates the entire notion of evil - except in the case it is your desire to call something evil.

The heaven of the Bible is antithetical to love.

The heaven of the Bible is antithetical to love.  No loving person could exist in the Christian heaven, unless their ability to love was first removed from them.

The basis of morality

All morality is based on love, it has nothing to do with atheism or religion, its more about how much you understand the concept of love.

Love is objective in that one of its facets includes maintaining or increases the well-being of others, but it is subjective as well because it should be skewed toward the meek and identifying the meek is objective.

Woman goes crazy on airplane flying to Tampa

"Woman goes crazy on airplane flying to Tampa" or Woman Screaming 'God You're My Savior' is nuts.

I think the point is that in this day and age it is quite disturbing that a single person holds onto these childish notions; nay, that such a large segment of the population clings desperately to such bewildering nonsense, that this poor women never learned any rational coping techniques which culminated in a completely unnecessary and literal breakdown during a time of need.


Shame on anyone who propagates this madness called religion.

undocumented plumbing

Can you imagine a landlord or contractor working on a building in NYC and they stumble across an undocumented pipe?  Would it be useful to look at old plans of the city down in city hall or should they just cut the pipe and not worry about it?

This is the equivalent of using evolution to do research on other animals to benefit humans.  Those other animals are our ancestors and so they have clues to our undocumented plumbing.

Mortality is about love

Mortality is about nothing more than love and the people you love and because people love different things - its all subjective.

The major reasons why simple minded people want to believe in objective morality is they really don't care enough to try to figure out the nuance or they are simply too egotistical and want to control other people.

google this Video Debunked in 30 seconds: Christian Morality

It's all a lie

Love is my life? Something can happen to my ability to love? Most people have it even if they don't understand it. I am sure you have love in your life but you brainwashing interferes and uses your misunderstanding to manipulate you.

It's really very simple - if you love someone you will suffer when they suffer. If you don't suffer when they suffer, you do not love them.

As a result, decent, loving people can simply never go or remain in the Christian heaven. It's all a lie.

I urge you to continue to try to understand.

Christians never understand love." That's just an ignorant statement. Same if i said atheists can't be moral. Plain ignorant.
Do you wanna say love is what gives us value? Then i think you failed to understand love in terms of naturalism. Sure, you don't care, you just love, but it doesn't make it real. It's real for you in terms of feelings brought by real chemical reactions, but that's all it is, chemical reactions. Love doesn't exist intrinsically, on naturalism.
-anonymous

Sorry, no its a factual observation. By necessity, Christians believe in heaven, but heaven is in logical conflict with love. You can't possibly believe in heaven and also say you understand love. Google "Debunked in 30 seconds: Heaven".

Chemical reactions exist intrinsically in the natural world, and love is simply an emergent property, much as life itself is.

Good luck with this argument though and I urge you to continue to try to understand.

Hebrews are simply Canaanites 2.0

"History does teach us something about past civilizations." Marie Sieloff for example, we have learned that the Hebrews never lived apart from the Canaanites, there was never a war between the Hebrews and the Canaanites, the Hebrews are simply Canaanites 2.0.

Its not a bunch of history books.

"you are just reinforcing my point - if you want to base your views on "History Books" rather than your actual life experience... seems rather obtuse to me" Natalie CobraKai your actual life experience is at the whim of frail human senses and reasoning. Leading your life only by your own experience is myopic - that is why is it common to ask "did you see that"?

Science is simply a formal way for use to view things from multiple objective perspectives to rule out our own frailties - its not a bunch of history books.

Christians rarely understand love.

You have failed to understand love. If you have a baby for example, if you love the baby, you don't care if its a boy or a girl. If you love the baby you don't care if it's gay or straight. If you love the baby you don't care if it's the result of complex chemical reactions or if it has an immortal soul - you just love the baby and nothing will change that.

Christians rarely understand love - they can only understand love in proportion to the amount of their own doctrine they reject.

Every argument for a god is a logical fallacy.

It depends on the argument being made, but there is no valid argument for god. For example William Lane Craig argues everything has a beginning, except for god, his god is the result of special pleading - a logical fallacy.

Most people believe in god because they don't understand what could come before the big bang, and so they assert god must have created the big bang, that god is an argument from ignorance - another logical fallacy.

There simply is no logically sound argument for any god. Every single one is a logical fallacy.

Faith is a process

"Faith itself is not a process." Simon Joseph Lau Faith is a process.  When you discover you do not have evidence for some belief - like Santa Clause, you will naturally dismiss it because it cannot benefit you and it will cause you derision from society (an adult that believes in Santa?  WTF?).

So when you find such a belief you have to decide if it is precious enough to you that you will face any possible derision and just hold onto it despite their being no evidence.

Faith doesn't just occur in a vacuum.

gods that have a cure

If your god talks to you, then there is medication that can cure the problem. I'm not too impressed by gods that have a cure.

Mohamed rode a flying horse

Mohamed rode a flying horse into heaven and talked to god.  He didn't see Jesus there, so obviously Jesus was lying.  Surprise to find out this way I know, the virgin birth thing was so convincing.

So far, no evidence for Jesus.

Turns out virtually everything about The Bible is a lie, but you know, what the heck lets just buy into this one without any evidence.

Sure the Christians might be right, but if they are why are they hiding their evidence?  In science, secret evidence is not evidence.  The time to believe something is when the evidence has been shown.  So far, no evidence for Jesus.

"Bad" is incaulcated into religion

Fortunately people can drop the nonsense part of religion, just turn it into a club, and in that way extract the good stuff and leave the bad stuff behind.

Unfortunately, the bad stuff is primarily built into the religious aspect of religions and that can't be extracted while keeping it a religion.

many atheists act like children

I find many atheists act like children demanding we believe like they do and on and on how about worry about your own selves and leave others to follow their path?" Heather Maule primarily we just want Christians to stop making laws to make it legal for you to kill us and stuff like that.

all human beings deserve torment

Heather for you to care what happens to other human beings you have to assume a secular worldview. Christianity upholds that all human beings deserve torment.

trouble with your caps-lock key

I think you are having trouble with your caps-lock key and your 16th century world view.

They are men - not science

" I provided my source, you ad hommed the source. What more can I do?" Brian Dyk learn science. No individual is a scientific source, not Einstein, not Darwin, not Newton. They are men - not science and not a scientific source.

your bologna has a first name

your bologna has a first name its a.s.s.e.r your bologna has a second name its t.i.o.n. shit I need to work on that.

El-Yahweh-Jesus

I think it takes power away from the whole affair if you call this god by his name - Yahweh.  It deflates the notion a bit and what kind of god is deflated by their own name?  LMAO - especially if you hyphenate it El-Yahweh-Jesus.

Why are the preachers lying to you about science?

"Does bible and science are in conflict?pls specify your answer with critical thinking" Loven Diesto - ouch. Critical thinking is primarily about analyzing why you think things and trying to find any faults so you can avoid them or correct them if at all possible.

For you - you have failed the very basics of critical thinking by not analyzing your sources. You must learn science from scientists not from preachers. Also you should wonder to yourself why the preachers are lying to you about science.

but not virgin births

I am also skeptical of psychics, nde's, ufo's, big foot, and exc.

but not virgin births - so not impressed.

primary problem with our education system

The state of evolution education in the USA is the primary problem with our education system. Anyone who doesn't know evolution is a fact is one of the people putting this country to shame.

crescendo

Survival of the fittest - I have noticed that religious folk get distracted long before a well reasoned argument could possibly reach a crescendo, so I am trying to adapt to this peculiar target audience.

Atheism

 Atheism just means you want evidence for gods before you will believe them.  Basically Atheists don't believe things just because their mother told them to believe it.

Yahweh represents gravity

"The fall is allegory of how all mankind has fallen to temptation and sinned. Adam and Eve represent all of us." Kendra Trahan so I guess Yahweh represents gravity?

Not a valid argument

In logic, if your position isn't consistent it just means you are wrong, it doesn't mean you made a valid argument.

my religion

What a prick "my religion is better than the delusional religions, so don't treat my religion with the disrespect those other religions deserve."

Historians are not valid evidence that Supernatural Jesus existed

 “In the context of deductive arguments, the appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, though it can be properly used in the context of inductive reasoning. It is deductively fallacious because, while sound deductive arguments are necessarily true, authorities are not necessarily correct about judgments related to their field of expertise. Though reliable authorities are correct in judgments related to their area of expertise more often than laypersons, they can still come to the wrong judgments through error, bias or dishonesty. Thus, the appeal to authority is at best a probabilistic rather than an absolute argument for establishing facts.” (Wikipedia)

You’re using historian authorities to deduce that Supernatural Jesus existed, Sean. Historians (theist or atheist) are not valid evidence that Supernatural Jesus existed; they have no more valid evidence for the supernatural than you do, and you have none.

-Neil Kelsey

If you are a Christian

If you are a Christian, you are living and promoting an ideology that is no more useful than a narcotic addiction while at the same time facilitating the torture of innocent children severely enough that the commit suicide at a measurable rate.  Don't buy Blood diamonds as the money is used to enslave innocent children and inflict them with a torturous existence.  Don’t support The Bible because the money is used to enslave innocent children and inflict them with a torturous existence.

Go to the stable

Three Greek philosophers and an Arab were all staying at the same inn. At dinner the philosophers were discussing the number of teeth in a horse's head. Each philosopher mustered his best arguments and debated the subject at length, using reason and logic to validate their claim. The first philosopher insisted that horses have 32 teeth; the second 40 teeth; and the third 48. Eventually, unable to reach agreement, the philosophers called upon the Arab to adjudicate. 

The Arab bowed, left the room and after a few moments returned and pronounced in favor of the second philosopher. All of the philosophers sprang to their feet and demanded to know which of his arguments had swayed him.

The Arab responded “Arguments? I went into the stable and counted”.

appeal to the authority of historical scholars

Sean Murray you reasoning is only valid if you feel scholars are to be considered correct without regard to the underlying evidence.  If you honestly believe that, then you are required to accept that the Bible is completely inaccurate about anything important (Exodus never happened for example) and evolution is a fact.

Your appeal to the authority of historical scholars is special pleading because you reject this notion on every other point.

Here is the problem Sean Murray - your position is that scholars are wrong about everything in the entire known universe, until you get to the historicity of Jesus and then all of the sudden you want us to listen to scholars.

why didn't you already know that?

" If there is no GOD, then we've no-one to be accountable to." Cyrese Templer this can only be true if there is not a single person in the world that you love. The real question then is why didn't you already know that?

formal theological training

lets take the example of the talking snakes in the bible - so you have the test, the question "is the talking snake a metaphor or can snakes really talk" - the answer: "it depends on the point you are trying to make or the action you are trying to rationalize".

leprechaun shoes

"why, oh "WHY?" do you get so very angry if someone is religious?" Natalie CobraKai imagine two groups of people one group who insist Leprechauns only wear green shoes and another group that insist leprechauns only wear black shoes - then imagine people you love who are either tortured or murdered because of nonsense related to leprechaun shoes.

When you can wrap your head around that example, you will understand why an atheist might be "angry" because someone is religious.

doctorate degree in Imperial Fashion

"I don't have any formal training in theology." Marie Sieloff how would anyone have "formal training" in fabricated nonsense? Who grades such a test? How do you make sure the person giving the test is using the preferred excuse?

David Olsen You could have a doctorate degree in Imperial Fashion, and insist that those without one shouldn't be allowed to accuse the emperor of nudity!

There is no room for Yahweh in this equation.

 Actually, I am simply trying to apply logic to this illogical thing you are defending - because illogical things cannot exist.

The message of Christianity is fatally flawed through logical contradiction - "love your neighbor now, but when you are in heaven and they are in hell, don't worry about it, just enjoy heaven".

Christians are fine with this contradictory message until they realize it also applies to people they love.  The problem with love is - if anyone you love goes to hell, you have to go to hell to.  There is no room for Yahweh in this equation.

6 per day in the USA alone.

I was trying to prove that being a believer doesn't necessarily mean being hateful, using belief as an excuse to do evil." Kendra Trahan the fact is dishonesty is bad and pretending the Bible has useful knowledge is dishonest and so is pretending the fictional characters of the bible are real.

Sure, they may make you feel good - like any drug, but they are used as an excuse by people to do bad things and at the very least they make you blind to things like families driving their innocent homosexual children to suicide at a rate of 6 per day in the USA alone.

people use these parts to murder people every day

 so the problem is people use these parts to murder people every day.  6 innocent people will die in the USA alone today, because of these mistakes in the Bible and if people would just be honest and say the Bible is wrong, we could stop these pointless deaths.

How do you comfort someone?

How do you comfort someone who is suffering because people they love are factually burning in hell?  Do you say "well, at least they deserve it"?  Do you say "well at least they will suffer forever"?  Do you say"Sure, they were great people and that's why you love them, but I am better!"?

The only possibility of comfort I see here is saying - forget about the people you love who are burning in hell and just enjoy being with me.  That is a valid answer, but if you accept it, then I say you never loved those people you are forgetting in the first place.

huge coincidences only

  Can you please explain these facts without common ancestry:
1 - Fish have no VIT genes, no lactation genes, no nipple genes, and no placenta genes.
2 - Amphibians have 1 VIT gene, no lactation genes, no nipple genes, and no placenta genes.
3 - Reptiles and birds have 3 VIT genes, no lactation genes, no nipple genes, and no placenta genes.
4 - primitive mammals have 1 working VIT gene, 2 broken VIT genes, lactation genes, no nipple genes, and no placenta genes.
5 - Less primitive mammals have 3 broken VIT genes, lactation genes, nipple genes, and only primitive placenta genes.
6 - Full mammals have 3 broken VIT genes, lactation genes, nipple genes, and complex placenta genes.

From a common ancestry POV, this makes a lot of sense, without common ancestry, these are huge coincidences only?

Knock knock!

Jesus: Knock knock!
Person: Who’s there?
Jesus: Jesus. Let me in.
Person: Why:
Jesus: I have to save you.
Person: Save me from what?
Jesus: From what I’m gonna do to you if you don’t let me in!

taken advantage of her love

"my mother is worried I "won't be in heaven with her."" Jeremy Meteo Geopfert right - she has been brainwashed out of understanding love - I didn't say she didn't feel love, she just doesn't understand why she loves a sinner.

Obviously considering there is no such thing as sin, its not that she "loves a sinner" it is that her brainwashing has taken advantage of her love for others and used it to manipulate her.

The Problem of Love

What Christians don't understand is - The way to truly hurt someone is by hurting the people they love. So going to heaven, for example, has no meaning unless every single person you love also goes to heaven.

Heaven is not the providence of Yahweh, heaven is the providence of the people you love.

The only rejoinder for the "problem of love" as I will now call it, is, Christians say when they go to heaven god will erase their memory or knowledge that anyone they love is burning in hell.

My final point then - if they are willing to submit to that, they never loved the person in the first place and don't understand love at all.

"Oh, get off your high horse" Kendra Trahan get out of the sewer and it won't look like I'm on a horse.

The general view of the Christian heaven

The general view of the Christian heaven is no one deserves to go there.  Everyone deserves to go to hell and in hell they will suffer for eternity.  Orthodox Christians have a different skew, but I haven't talked to them enough to know how well this applies to them - so if you are Orthodox, maybe you can help me with that.

no understanding of love

If a Christian believes in the heaven or hell of the Bible I can show that they have no understanding of love.

Yahweh loves you and if you don't believe that, he will torture you forever.

pretending you know where it came from is faith.

hat there was "matter focused" is evident - supported by evidence. Speculating where it "came from" is investigation, pretending you know where it came from is faith.

Christianity is devoid of love

If you believe in the heaven and hell of the Bible then the fact is you do not understand love.

The propaganda and brainwashing of the "Christian Faith" is designed to exploit the individual Christians misunderstanding of love.

faith is bad.

faith is bad. Faith is a mistake. What you should be looking for is evidence,

Heaven or hell could not even be the providence of Yahweh/Jesus.

Maybe I am just a nicer person than every Christian, but to me, the way to cause me pain is to hurt the people I love.

Additionally, I tend to love people who feel the same - people who would themselves be in pain if someone they loved was in pain.

The only way I can get out of hell then is to make sure that the people I love also go to heaven and in turn the people they love and so on.

In short, if any person ever goes to hell, I have to go to hell to.  Heaven or hell could not even be the providence of Yahweh/Jesus.

let the blood wash it away

  why should you be responsible for anything you do? You can just let the blood from the human sacrifice of Jesus wash away all of your responsibility. 

Take responsibility

You have to learn to take responsibility for your life - if you deserve to go to hell then just go to hell and shut up about it.