Shame on you.

Max Mills lets start with this gem "We are talking about OT Jews" no, we are talking about the Bible which includes both the NT and the OT and has nothing at all to do with "Jews" - simply the text.

This attempt to redirect the conversation into a realm where you can try to formulate a deceptive defense is nothing at all honest. Firstly if you think the Jews were right, then you have no basis to accept the NT in the first place which they reject.

Secondly, the Christian faith is built on both the NT and the OT - together, they are inseparable.

In practical terms then your attempt to save these verses that condone rape is it self cherry picking. Only a child would even consider that bondage and total submission would not include sex. If you have no idea what sex is, then maybe your argument is sincere, but if you are familiar with sex your argument is completely dishonest.

"Im not cherry picking obscure points, I am telling you what the book says on this subuject." this is a factual lie. support it with scripture.

ok - your scripture - you have demonstrated that you have never read it so I have to explain the damn thing to you like all Christians. If you would read the Bible you would not be a Christian in the first place - stop being such a sucker and think for yourself for once in your life.

Women are property in the Bible through and through, if you weren't brainwashed into being a misogynist, it would be obvious to you in almost every passage.

For example, when you find your defense of rape - which you will never present, you will notice it only deals with compensating rape as if the damage is done to the owner, not the person being raped. The owner is either the father or the husband. You want specific scripture? Then provide your defense of rape which you still have not done - its there in that scripture - stop hiding from it.

Where else are women treated as property more specifically? Exodus 20 - the 10 commandments themselves - you shall not covet your neighbors property including slaves and his wife. HIS WIFE - nothing about coveting husbands, because the 10 commandments are not written for women who are thrown in with the other property.

Oh, where children are actually property of their parents? Maybe you remember the good guy Lot - the one Yahweh specifically saved because he was so moral. What does Lot do? He says, don't have sex with my guests, instead rape my virgin daughters. Obviously the daughters had no say in the matter - they were lots property either as children or as women - YOU DECIDE and the result is rape which is the idea of the guy Yahweh says is moral!

But obviously yes, parents are ordered to murder their unruly children many times in the Bible. The result of these commands is anything the child does that is not in agreement with the parents earns them the death penalty and thus affords them no rights outside whatever their parents apportion to them.

Your disgusting book. Shame on you. Learn to lead a decent and honest life and stop promoting this filth.